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Moldbug’s approach to talking about race seems to me like it gets him roughly as bad a reputation as Herrnstein and Murray (in the circles that know who each is, respectively), while letting him be far less clear than H&M are.

In other words, if Moldbug wanted to avoid being thought of as a racist, he’s clearly not being subtle enough, because people still see him as a racist.

What does “being a racist” mean, exactly?  Are Herrnstein and Murray racists?  

For that matter, you, prophecyformula and I all looked at that ACS data and found that one can’t make the blackness-crime connection go away no matter what one tries.  In my social milieu, the people who go around poking their noses under such rocks are conventionally considered racists. Are we all racists, then?

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I originally had a much longer post that basically spiraled into a summa contra Baltimore, which I’ll spare everyone.

I guess what I’d like to say is that if racism is to be opposed, then it seems like a weird rhetorical own-goal to define racists to be people who are acknowledging reality.  That sounds flippant, but it’s not.  If H&M are racist, then the NLSY is racist as well.  If Moldbug is a racist for pointing out that very little in latter 20th American social life makes sense except in the light of white flight, then even thinking about that topic just spreads the contamination further.  It leaves me very unsure of what we’re even talking about here.

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I find that I’m still confused about your ideas here.  Is your contention that white flight did not occur because people were concerned about physical safety, and that people who suggest such things are intellectually or morally deficient?  

Elsewhere in the piece you quote, we learn that a guy was recently stabbed to death over his cell-phone on the very same block as Moldbug’s kid’s preschool.  No one was ever charged with the murder, though, so we can safely assume that it was an errant apple employee provoked by the decedent’s android.  

On a closing note, having read that piece and having lived my entire adult life in a city on the global top 50 list for violence, I have Moldbug’s “zombie” reference class pretty firmly in mind.  And it’s not “black people”.  It’s a class that finds its least functional expression on the pages of thatguysonheroin.com, whose subtitle, completely coincidentally, is: “Living in Baltimore, fighting zombies.” [0]    It’s a subsection of a class, referred to in a less delicate age as the Lumpenproletariat, that is overwhelmingly young, black and male.  If all this sounds strange to you, I’m personally glad for you but I fear we’re close to an impasse about entitlement to opinions vs. entitlement to facts.  I’d be happy to tell you some stories, though.

[0] I don’t approve, by the way, of the tone of that site.  I do, however, think that it serves an important documentary purpose.  And it has actually inspired people to try to get clean, so.

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Moldbug’s approach to talking about race seems to me like it gets him roughly as bad a reputation as Herrnstein and Murray (in the circles that know who each is, respectively), while letting him be far less clear than H&M are.

In other words, if Moldbug wanted to avoid being thought of as a racist, he’s clearly not being subtle enough, because people still see him as a racist.

What does “being a racist” mean, exactly?  Are Herrnstein and Murray racists?  

For that matter, you, prophecyformula and I all looked at that ACS data and found that one can’t make the blackness-crime connection go away no matter what one tries.  In my social milieu, the people who go around poking their noses under such rocks are conventionally considered racists. Are we all racists, then?

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I originally had a much longer post that basically spiraled into a summa contra Baltimore, which I’ll spare everyone.

I guess what I’d like to say is that if racism is to be opposed, then it seems like a weird rhetorical own-goal to define racists to be people who are acknowledging reality.  That sounds flippant, but it’s not.  If H&M are racist, then the NLSY is racist as well.  If Moldbug is a racist for pointing out that very little in latter 20th American social life makes sense except in the light of white flight, then even thinking about that topic just spreads the contamination further.  It leaves me very unsure of what we’re even talking about here.

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Moldbug’s approach to talking about race seems to me like it gets him roughly as bad a reputation as Herrnstein and Murray (in the circles that know who each is, respectively), while letting him be far less clear than H&M are.

In other words, if Moldbug wanted to avoid being thought of as a racist, he’s clearly not being subtle enough, because people still see him as a racist.

What does “being a racist” mean, exactly?  Are Herrnstein and Murray racists?  

For that matter, you, prophecyformula and I all looked at that ACS data and found that one can’t make the blackness-crime connection go away no matter what one tries.  In my social milieu, the people who go around poking their noses under such rocks are conventionally considered racists. Are we all racists, then?

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Moldbug’s approach to talking about race seems to me like it gets him roughly as bad a reputation as Herrnstein and Murray (in the circles that know who each is, respectively), while letting him be far less clear than H&M are.

In other words, if Moldbug wanted to avoid being thought of as a racist, he’s clearly not being subtle enough, because people still see him as a racist.

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nihilsupernum:

all of you are wrong, moldbug should be treated like… a poet? i don’t know

he puts in stuff about history and politics and whatever but that is honestly not what i read moldbug for, im not sure i got anything new besides weird historical trivia from him

i read moldbug because reading moldbug is a fucking delight

nostalgebraist was right about him optimizing for contrarianism and bon mots, but damn if his writing doesn’t soar in its own bizarre perverse way. He’s never completely deal-breakingly cringeworthy, and he supplies a steady stream of insight porn and and an intoxicating sense of being led to the Dark Side.

What more could you want?

Parade-raining carping under the cut, sorry, I can’t leave well enough alone

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Anonymous asked: Dunno, IQ of 70 is only two standard deviations down, that doesn't seem too unreasonable. Ashkenazi Jews as a group score one standard deviation up. And when you take into account that industrialization observably significantly (like, >30 pts) increased IQs of the Western world, and Africa is not yet industrialized, that claim doesn't seem as prima facia absurd to me as it does to you? Can you explain why it seems so weird to you?

1.  IQs in a lot of not-industrialized places are >80.

2.  When it comes to the standard deviations of a Gaussian, being two deviations away from the mean is a lot in terms of probability mass.  Only 2.2% of people in a mean 100, SD 15 Gaussian will have IQ < 70.  It’s also historically been a cutoff for intellectual disability (which affects 2-3% of the general population in the U.S.)  Having been to sub-Saharan Africa (Tanzania) and met a number of people there, this seems weird to me.  You’d think you’d notice if you ended up in a place were the 50th percentage IQ equalled the 2nd percentile IQ from your home country.  I didn’t experience any shock like that.

Historical IQ changes are something I don’t really want to get into because I don’t know anything about them (in particular I don’t understand the Flynn Effect).

Anonymous asked: Re: anecdotal vs 'scientific' evidence, its helps to be numerate enough to try to square any scientific evidence with the anecdotes you know of. The "literature" on race and IQ puts the average African IQ at 70. Thats "can't read a train schedule" levels. Anyone who has the life experience of "talking to people in Africa" can tell you thats BS.

Wow, you know, my initial response was skepticism that this could possibly be something actually in “the literature” because it sounds so absurd, but apparently it is a real position taken in stuff published as recently as 2006 (1, 2).  (The claim was made in a book, not in peer-reviewed papers, but apparently it was a position considered respectable enough that a debunking of it was worth of publication in the journal Intelligence, and according to that paper the results in that book were cited by a bunch of other people in papers.)

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nostalgebraist:

Gryphons, though they loved it dearly, had small tolerance for alcohol.

See, The Iron Dragon’s Daughter is full of cutesy “fantasy+mundane” shit like this and sometimes it’s funny or clever and sometimes it’s just

“The world’s got enough hydroliths anyway,” Nant added.  She was a black dwarf, and insanely politicized.  "What it needs is a system of governance that’s not simply the strong telling the weak what to do.“  She made the sign of the hammer with crossed forearms, not at all self-mockingly.

Now I wonder: if you do the obvious find-replace on this paragraph to produce its real-world equivalent, would Michael Swanwick think that paragraph was clever or interesting or worthy of inclusion in a scene about college students hanging out?  "She was a black dwarf, and insanely politicized.”  Give me a fucking break

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The guy who writes that religious blog has a podcast and it’s the wildest thing — if you click the link I highly recommend you skip to 29:00 or so (the beginning is just generic anti-feminist ranting)

(A lot of it is pretty standard far-religious-right explicitly racist separatist type stuff but it’s tied to all this very abstract theological stuff and he just deadpan monologues all of his beliefs as this gigantic list, on and on and on … I’ve never experienced anything quite like it)

(His views on fashion: “I want to see some dressy men with some swag.  Victorian collars.”)

i am fascinated

“no more watching professional sports”

Having skipped around a bit more in this thing I’ve finally realized that the “introductory monologue” actually begins at 20:00, which means there an entire nine minutes of it I haven’t listened to

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The guy who writes that religious blog has a podcast and it’s the wildest thing – if you click the link I highly recommend you skip to 29:00 or so (the beginning is just generic anti-feminist ranting)

(A lot of it is pretty standard far-religious-right explicitly racist separatist type stuff but it’s tied to all this very abstract theological stuff and he just deadpan monologues all of his beliefs as this gigantic list, on and on and on … I’ve never experienced anything quite like it)

(His views on fashion: “I want to see some dressy men with some swag.  Victorian collars.”)