cyle:

tarilaran:

reslake:

tarilaran:

nostalgebraist:

• check
• out
• how
• this
• post
• looks
• on
• mobile…

I….

I don’t get it. The dots are collinear, I guess?

On pc

Hey maybe this website is a piece of shit, but it’s *our* piece of shit website

technically the bug is that desktop web doesn’t match mobile 😏 gonna have to file that one

Thanks!

BTW, since this seems to have confused some people: my intent with this post was “look at this weirdly-indented list!”

As far as I can tell, I can only create this indentation structure with the API, not in any of the editors.  (I only know how to create indented lists at all in the markdown editor, and it doesn’t allow fully arbitrary indentation.)

However, due to the web bug, I had to say “on mobile” in the post so people knew how to see it displayed correctly.

• check
• out
• how
• this
• post
• looks
• on
• mobile…

cyle:

nostalgebraist:

Wait… is NPF just the draft.js internal json format with a fake mustache?

The “blocks”… the index-based styling… the bizarre indentation system for blockquotes/lists… the janky UX when typing blockquotes… the lack of a canonical HTML representation despite the ability to display it on the screen… no!  it can’t be!

actually, no. funny enough, NPF predates draft.js, and when draft.js came out, we said to ourselves, “this looks very familiar”…

also worth noting that Wordpress’s Gutenberg was developed around the same time as both and landed in a lot of the same places, as did Medium’s internal format, apparently.

basically everybody in 2015-2017 was tackling the problem of “how do we separate ourselves from HTML and leverage JSON because that’s what the apps want, but still have a website renderable in HTML”…

Huh, thanks!

I hadn’t seen that @engineering post either, very informative.

nightpool:

nostalgebraist:

Wait… is NPF just the draft.js internal json format with a fake mustache?

The “blocks”… the index-based styling… the bizarre indentation system for blockquotes/lists… the janky UX when typing blockquotes… the lack of a canonical HTML representation despite the ability to display it on the screen… no!  it can’t be!

blocks and index based styling are both triviably derivable from the underlying design constraints (native mobile friendly formatting), so it wouldn’t surprise me if this was convergent evolution

Thanks for this perspective – I know nothing about mobile development.

(I also know next to nothing about draft.js, I just heard a friend say he was using it and that its data format sounded “a lot like your description of NPF,” and then I looked it up.)

Some comments:

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draft.js does not seem to have been built with native mobile in mind.  Their docs currently say “Mobile Not Yet Supported,” which sounds like it’s about mobile web.  For mobile native, there are some 3rd party projects extending draft.js, but nothing 1st party.

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Beyond blocks and index based styling, I am also struck by the similarity in the way nested indents are represented.

Compare the example shown under “depth” in this post about draft.js with the NPF spec section on indenting.  I find this striking because the format is so counterintuitive (to me).  Is there a design constraint forcing this as well?

(Also, the NPF spec allows nested indenting – as draft.js does – even though tumblr itself doesn’t appear to have full support for it.  I can’t seem to create an indented list in any UI, even the beta editor.  I can create a nested list using the API, and it renders properly on mobile, but not on web!

ETA: I can make them in the Markdown web editor, with the same display behavior.)

EDIT: wrote this before I saw cyle’s response, which clarifies that NPF came first.

Wait… is NPF just the draft.js internal json format with a fake mustache?

The “blocks”… the index-based styling… the bizarre indentation system for blockquotes/lists… the janky UX when typing blockquotes… the lack of a canonical HTML representation despite the ability to display it on the screen… no!  it can’t be!

birdblogwhichisforbirds:

birdblogwhichisforbirds:

Had a dream last night that I was married to a really weird and mean guy.

Whenever I ate any food, or disagreed with his weird opinions, he would spray me with a spray-bottle of acid that burned my skin. During the course of one conversation this caused me to lose the sight in my left eye.

He looked like creepy ex and had the same first name but he wasn’t creepy ex. His main weird opinion was that the second amendment applied to dolphins. He believed that the government had a moral obligation to fund research into robotic limbs for dolphins and underwater guns. He thought that all forms of taxation were illegitimate except raising money for this purpose. He believed that the founding fathers agreed with him and this was the ONLY reason that they made a constitution that allowed taxation at all.

As I was listening to this guy talk, and getting sprayed with acid when I made common sense objections or asked for evidence, I thought “why did I marry this douche, why didn’t I marry Rob instead. I’m going to have to divorce this horrible guy, and if I’d married Rob I could just stay married to him forever.” Then I remembered that I was in fact married to Rob and realized this was all a dream and woke up.

someone liked this old post of mine which i had forgotten about and wow… my brain sure does make up some weird shit